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Climate and Science => Space, Science and Nature => Topic started by: Deano on October 23, 2012, 09:30:11 AM

Title: Earthquake experts convicted of manslaughter
Post by: Deano on October 23, 2012, 09:30:11 AM
Defying assertions that earthquakes cannot be predicted, an Italian court has convicted seven scientists and experts of manslaughter for failing to adequately warn residents before a quake struck central Italy in 2009 and killed more than 300 people.

The court in L'Aquila also sentenced the defendants to six years each in prison. All are members of the national Great Risks Commission, and several are prominent scientists or geological and disaster experts.

Scientists had decried the trial as ridiculous, contending that science has no reliable way of predicting earthquakes. So news of the verdict shook the tightknit community of earthquake experts worldwide.

"It's a sad day for science," said seismologist Susan Hough, of the US Geological Survey in Pasadena, California. "It's unsettling."

That fellow seismic experts in Italy were singled out in the case "hits you in the gut," Hough added.
Full story here NZHerald http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10842267 (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10842267)
Title: Re: Earthquake experts convicted of manslaughter
Post by: Weather Display on October 23, 2012, 10:14:04 AM
TVNZ Breakfast news team need to get their facts straight too, after commenting this morning about this news

in reference to NZ earthquake experts saying nearly 0% chance of an earthquake of 4 or 5 mag for christchurch

that was in reference to a 1% chance of a 7 or greater mag quake for christchurch
Title: Re: Earthquake experts convicted of manslaughter
Post by: Suezy on October 23, 2012, 01:38:33 PM
Sorry Deano did not realize that you had put it on as well.
I decided to do further research on the matter as all the headlines did not make sense to me - with failing to predict an earthquake - owing to everyone knowing that they are imposible to predict.. 
Came up with an article witten by the Times Europe which I have put on here as my second article which says in part of the body of it

The seismologists were charged not with failing to predict the earthquake but for wrongly reassuring the public about the risk. 

it was that they reassured the public after getting two previous quakes prior to the 6.3 mag one that there was nothing to worry about.
I do think that the newspapers here should be taken to task for reporting what most of the newspapers have written round the world,
There is a massive difference between "failing to predict" and as to "reassuring the public that everything was OK" which they should not have done with their history and also being seismic the same as us.
Title: Re: Earthquake experts convicted of manslaughter
Post by: David on October 23, 2012, 05:10:56 PM
Completely outrageous! Hopefully the appeal overturns the conviction. This is really bad for the scientific community - seismology is not an exact science and punishing scientists who get it wrong is preposterous.
Title: Re: Earthquake experts convicted of manslaughter
Post by: Rwood on October 24, 2012, 08:11:42 AM

Fully agree.
Title: Re: Earthquake experts convicted of manslaughter
Post by: TonyC on October 24, 2012, 08:32:56 AM
Perhaps the Italian authorities should put the Pope on trial..........
After all, he's supposed to have a direct telephone line to the Almighty and should have known the quake was imminent and warned his flock.
Makes as much sense as the previous trial. ;)
Title: Re: Earthquake experts convicted of manslaughter
Post by: Weather Display on October 24, 2012, 08:49:06 AM
but maybe in hindsight (great thing that)
they should have not been saying that its all going to be ok
and instead taken more of a middle ground

but then they would be accused of causing unnecesary fear if it did not occur

i.e they would be dammed if they did and dammed if they didnt either way?
Title: Re: Earthquake experts convicted of manslaughter
Post by: David on October 24, 2012, 09:43:19 AM

I can see why they might have said that
Maybe they said that against their better judgment to quell speculation/worry of an impending big quake? The chance of a big quake happening would have been estimated to be fairly small (that fault line had big quakes hundreds of years apart).

If they had only said "Small chance of a large quake always exists" they probably wouldn't be in this mess...